Comments on: Tell me who your enemies are… http://holoom.com/2009/10/26/tell-me-who-your-enemies-are/ A holistic commentary on all things IT. Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:09:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Office fauna « Holoom http://holoom.com/2009/10/26/tell-me-who-your-enemies-are/#comment-168 Office fauna « Holoom Sun, 05 Sep 2010 14:09:29 +0000 http://holoom.com/?p=89#comment-168 [...] a recent comment to one of my posts, one of you inspired the species I’m about to describe. The comment described those developers [...] [...] a recent comment to one of my posts, one of you inspired the species I’m about to describe. The comment described those developers [...]

]]> By: shuje http://holoom.com/2009/10/26/tell-me-who-your-enemies-are/#comment-20 shuje Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:58:37 +0000 http://holoom.com/?p=89#comment-20 Sorry Raoul! Your reply got sent to a spam folder. Dunno why. Regarding your comment, you are right on the money. I was referring to developers with common sense. You are expanding on this to describe the egomaniac developer that needs to show everyone else how cool he is and how he can jam pack 200 frameworks in an application just to spell "Hello World". I do not agree that this is a language driven deficiency though. Both PHP and Java have developers with common sense and developers with overinflated egos. Maybe you've experienced this more in the Java world because java used to be more of a corporate standard and PHP more of an indie language. That is now changing and you will soon see a lot of devs in PHP that are just as dumb as those you described before. Dumbness spreads fast. =) Keep reading and I'll keep posting. Cheers, Shuje Sorry Raoul! Your reply got sent to a spam folder. Dunno why.

Regarding your comment, you are right on the money. I was referring to developers with common sense. You are expanding on this to describe the egomaniac developer that needs to show everyone else how cool he is and how he can jam pack 200 frameworks in an application just to spell “Hello World”.

I do not agree that this is a language driven deficiency though. Both PHP and Java have developers with common sense and developers with overinflated egos. Maybe you’ve experienced this more in the Java world because java used to be more of a corporate standard and PHP more of an indie language. That is now changing and you will soon see a lot of devs in PHP that are just as dumb as those you described before. Dumbness spreads fast. =)

Keep reading and I’ll keep posting.

Cheers,

Shuje

]]> By: raoul http://holoom.com/2009/10/26/tell-me-who-your-enemies-are/#comment-16 raoul Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:08:41 +0000 http://holoom.com/?p=89#comment-16 "On the other hand, developers are practical people, they like to get their jobs done"' such a powerful statement! :D, but in some cases I tend to disagree with you here..., I mean, in most cases this is true, but is really disgusting (or at least -for me- difficult to work with) when a dev in your team tend to reinvent the wheel..., as a Java dev (for years) I found this scenario a lot, I'm not sure why, but I think it is related to the Java community. Well... not sure if this is exactly "reinvent the wheel"... but is something like that. In short: if you give a use case to a PHP dev: he will implement it, if you give that to this kind of java dev that I'm talking about here, he will: look for the best framework for the view layer, a fashioned framework for the data layer, the best cache system, start designing the model, wire all those parts, write helpers for the unit tests... and... what do I need to do here? what is the use case about??? :P What I'm trying to explain here is that even into the dev community you can find this duality (which for me here is "pragmatic vs non-pragmatic")!! Nice post Shuje, will be follwing (and spreading the word :D) in Google Reader... “On the other hand, developers are practical people, they like to get their jobs done”‘
such a powerful statement! :D , but in some cases I tend to disagree with you here…, I mean, in most cases this is true, but is really disgusting (or at least -for me- difficult to work with) when a dev in your team tend to reinvent the wheel…, as a Java dev (for years) I found this scenario a lot, I’m not sure why, but I think it is related to the Java community. Well… not sure if this is exactly “reinvent the wheel”… but is something like that. In short: if you give a use case to a PHP dev: he will implement it, if you give that to this kind of java dev that I’m talking about here, he will: look for the best framework for the view layer, a fashioned framework for the data layer, the best cache system, start designing the model, wire all those parts, write helpers for the unit tests… and… what do I need to do here? what is the use case about??? :P
What I’m trying to explain here is that even into the dev community you can find this duality (which for me here is “pragmatic vs non-pragmatic”)!!

Nice post Shuje, will be follwing (and spreading the word :D ) in Google Reader…

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